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Wobbot, has your BSE-contaminated ol’ brain forgotten *everything*?   YOU told ME how to post through AOL.

Oh… brainfart. Like I care.   Save the stories for the numpties that believe you.

How about pics mousie, will that satisfy you? C’mon now, your jealously is showing. I have MORE than storys, I have hard facts to prove my life is real. I bet your a quadraplegic…I bet you don’t even have legs nevermind run.  Bloody hell!   A less than 50% survival rate?   Either you’re living in Rwanda or there’s something sadly awry with your DNA, m’boy!

No Roger, the one that died after birth was because of the moms ‘habits’ during pregnancy, and I saw to it she spent time in jail for it. The others never made it to birth. Get it stupid? Huh?   I score a point that I didn’t even make?  

Well I’m a fair guy, and why should I wait for you to make it, it was my joke, so FO! You read the Northern Lights trilogy by Philip Pullman?

Is that the eskimo guy who wrote that eskimo song "please don’t eat the yellow snow" ?? Weird books.

I bet you’re the expert on "weird books". Every time I see the word ‘daemon’ it reminds me of them.

Too bad you can’t spell it. A central feature of the story is that everyone has a daemon – a spirit in animal form – that follows them around.   It can change species until its owner ‘matures’, then it adopts one shape for the remainder of it’s (their) life.   Their spirits and personalities are kinda intertwined.   Beautiful idea.    Hope it’s true.

It is, I’ve been saying it for months now. I wonder what my daemon would be?

Squeak, squeak, squeak…

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Like I care.   Save the stories for the numpties that believe you. How about pics mousie, will that satisfy you? C’mon now, your jealously is showing. I have MORE than storys, I have hard facts to prove my life is real. I bet your a quadraplegic…I bet you don’t even have legs nevermind run. Bloody hell!   A less than 50% survival rate?   Either you’re living in Rwanda or there’s something sadly awry with your DNA, m’boy! No Roger, the one that died after birth was because of the moms ‘habits’ during pregnancy, and I saw to it she spent time in jail for it. The others never made it to birth. Get it stupid? Huh?   I score a point that I didn’t even make?   Well I’m a fair guy, and why should I wait for you to make it, it was my joke, so FO! You read the Northern Lights trilogy by Philip Pullman? Is that the eskimo guy who wrote that eskimo song "please don’t eat the yellow snow" ?? Weird books. I bet you’re the expert on "weird books". Every time I see the word ‘daemon’ it reminds me of them. Too bad you can’t spell it. A central feature of the story is that everyone has a daemon – a spirit in animal form – that follows them around.   It can change species until its owner ‘matures’, then it adopts one shape for the remainder of it’s (their) life.   Their spirits and personalities are kinda intertwined.   Beautiful idea.    Hope it’s true. It is, I’ve been saying it for months now. I wonder what my daemon would be? Squeak, squeak, squeak…

Well I guess I scared the lil mousie away.

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Wobbot, why can’t I see your reply?   I got the emailed version, but I can’t see it on the newsgroup.   Perhaps Usenet has begun to automatically flush all the poop down the bowl.   Hang on.   If that were true you wouldn’t see me either To answer your request, sorry, I have no piccies.   Just a memory of the weekend from hell spent with a grieving wife and four kids trying to sort out his affairs. The two of you are surprisingly similar.  You both bailed on your responsibilities, avoided retribution, and demonstrated a backbone of jelly, all the while rationalising your actions as ‘the only reasonable course’. Sad twits.

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Wobbot, why can’t I see your reply?

I requested that AOL block you out to minimize wasted communications. To answer your request, sorry, I have no piccies.

Oh C’mon now, I know you do, brain splatters, a stretched out neck, slashed wrists, all make for great photo opuurtunities, so lets see ‘em.   Just a memory of the weekend from hell spent with a grieving wife and four kids trying to sort out his affairs.

I bet you "touched" the kids, and screwed his wife too, didn’t you? The two of you are surprisingly similar.

Well except for one thing…I’m ALIVE LOLOLOL You both bailed on your responsibilities,

Now see you still haven’t elaborated on this little pipe dream of yours. I guess the fact that I only have one son, and your "sources" didn’t even know that, pretty much tells us the depth of your investigation. avoided retribution,

Am I "on the run"? Warrants? Hit men? Bounty hunters? Please tell me so I can move real fast again. and demonstrated a backbone of jelly,

Hmm, this from an anonymous screen name, who lies non-stop? Even after I listed where and when I run, and you won’t even squeak your lil’ mousie name? Gee, I’m really concerned… How about this Rog <BOO LOL, sorry there mousie, go clean out your Depend. all the while rationalising your actions as ‘the only reasonable course’.

WTF kind of drugs are you on? What did I rationalize, and what was th"reasonable course" ? Sad twits.

No, you’re pathetic, not sad.

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Oh C’mon now, I know you do, brain splatters, a stretched out neck, slashed wrists, all make for great photo opuurtunities, so lets see ‘em.

Sorry, batteries failed.   Story of my life… I bet you "touched" the kids, and screwed his wife too, didn’t you?

Now, now.   Didn’t you get into a pickle with your ISP the last time you went down this route? Well except for one thing…I’m ALIVE LOLOLOL

Y’think? Now see you still haven’t elaborated on this little pipe dream of yours. I guess the fact that I only have one son, and your "sources" didn’t even know that, pretty much tells us the depth of your investigation.

I have no "sources".   I pretty much make it up as I go along.   What surprises me is how many near hits I score. You fathered a child.  To "have one son" would imply that you participated in his upbringing, showed him some degree of affection – even love – and available when he needed you.   As you score 0 out of a possible 3 in our ‘being a dad’ test, I feel free to refer to the boy as your offspring rather than your son.  What he calls you I can only imagine… Hmm, this from an anonymous screen name, who lies non-stop? Even after I listed where and when I run, and you won’t even squeak your lil’ mousie name?

Wasn’t I outed as ‘Fraser Edwards’ from Edinburgh? How about this Rog <BOO

AAARGH!!!   WTF!!!  My god, you scared me witless!   Don’t you *ever* do that again, y’hear? WTF kind of drugs are you on? What did I rationalize, and what was th"reasonable course" ?

Hey, where’s the point in trying to argue logic with a rabid monkey?   I just throw things at your cage to see what rattles you the most. No, you’re pathetic, not sad.

So, I’m Fraser ‘Pathetic’ Edwards from Edinburgh?   OK, I can live with that

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LMFAO! Sorry, batteries failed.   Story of my life…

Luckily your wife keeps several spares on hand in case "ol’ Caber" runs out to be sure she’s pleasured, since your performance was wholly inadequate except for the obvious reproductive value (if having two severely retarded offspring counts) it seems you could’ve borrowed a few from her. Although I understand it takes her several car batteries wired in unison to get satisfaction, since I left Scotland. Now, now.   Didn’t you get into a pickle with your ISP the last time you went down this route?

Oh I did? Please fill me in on the details? But it matters not, because AOL is not my ISP. Let’s see ya figure that one out. Y’think?

Very much so, especially today since I am now in retirement again. I can now devote my every waking moment to you. Well, except when my hoe comes over, then I’ll be offline for 30 minutes or so. I have no "sources".   I pretty much make it up as I go along.   What surprises me is how many near hits I score.

Or could it be I’ve repeatedly mentioned it on here? And I mentioned it to you in private emails? Especially the BMW he drives, since you obviously suspect I’ve damaged my son in some way. If that were true, it’s hard to imagine him taking three days off of work, leaving his wife and kid (there ya go, abuse/neglect reaps abuse, you got proof) to go spend 3 days drinking, smoking, and whoring around the northeast with his father. BTW Roger, I drove the BMW all weekend… We wanted to take his mini Cooper (similar to the one in the movie with Markie Mark) but it was too small to fit all our gear. You fathered a child.

Last count (with a couple of ‘possibles’ included)  was 11, with  5 survivors (you were obviously their Dr). To "have one son" would imply that you participated in his upbringing, showed him some degree of affection – even love – and available when he needed you.

Dead wrong! First, it implys I can’t remember his name, so that point goes to you. But it also implies he is my only male child, and the rest are female. As you score 0 out of a possible 3

Is this an IQ test again???? in our ‘being a dad’ test,

Oh. I feel free to refer to the boy as your offspring rather than your son.

I prefer demon seed. What he calls you I can only imagine…

Dad. never pop, or daddy. Wasn’t I outed as ‘Fraser Edwards’ from Edinburgh?

I thought it was Frasier from the TV show? AAARGH!!!   WTF!!!  My god, you scared me witless!   Don’t you *ever* do that again, y’hear?

REALLY LMFAO! Good one. Hey, where’s the point in trying to argue logic with a rabid monkey?

Please! I’m a rabid APE. I’m far too large to be a monkee of any kind. I just throw things at your cage to see what rattles you the most.

Well then you understand the feces throwing thing, so I shant apologize for it. OK, I can live with that

Naw, follow your friends lead, and overdose on morphine.

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But it matters not, because AOL is not my ISP. Let’s see ya figure that

one out. Wobbot, has your BSE-contaminated ol’ brain forgotten *everything*?   YOU told ME how to post through AOL. Especially the BMW he drives, blah…blah….blah

Like I care.   Save the stories for the numpties that believe you. Last count (with a couple of ‘possibles’ included)  was 11, with  5 survivors (you were obviously their Dr).

Bloody hell!   A less than 50% survival rate?   Either you’re living in Rwanda or there’s something sadly awry with your DNA, m’boy! Dead wrong! First, it implys I can’t remember his name, so that point goes to you.

Huh?   I score a point that I didn’t even make?   Crazy game. I prefer demon seed.

You read the Northern Lights trilogy by Philip Pullman?   Weird books. Every time I see the word ‘daemon’ it reminds me of them. A central feature of the story is that everyone has a daemon – a spirit in animal form – that follows them around.   It can change species until its owner ‘matures’, then it adopts one shape for the remainder of it’s (their) life.   Their spirits and personalities are kinda intertwined.   Beautiful idea.    Hope it’s true. I wonder what my daemon would be?

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I hear TheBilRodgers was sighted fri, sat, and sunday in Plattsburgh Ny. Wonder what he was doing there…

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<< I hear TheBilRodgers was sighted fri, sat, and sunday in Plattsburgh Ny. Wonder what he was doing there… i’ll bite.  what? _______ Blog, or dog? Who knows. But if you see my lost pup, please ping me! http://journals.aol.com/virginiaz/DreamingofLeonardo                   \  - –  //

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i’ll bite.  

Ouch! what?

I guess if Roidger can bore you, so can I. Running? Vacationing? Swimming in my tent as I camped out? Well the plan was for my son (28YO) and I  to go to Maxville, Ontario for The Glengarry Highland Games, but upon approaching the border the weather report was for showers and thunderstorms, not ideal camping weather. So plan 2 was to hold over on the USA side of the border until saturday morning to see what the weather was supposed to be, since we didn’t want to cross the border (that maryjane stuff is still illegal) if it was going to be a washout, So since they said POSSIBLE light showers fri night and more steady rain sat with thunder storms, we decided to camp out near Plattsbugh,NY, cruise around in the beamer fri night and pick up some hoes. BIG MISTAKE! (the camping idea was bad, the hoes was a good idea) So we got a camp site right on the shores of Lake Champlain. My tent was facing the water, about 10 feet from the retaining wall, and with 40 or 50 mph winds coming in, it really looked like tho ocean with 4 foot waves pounding the shore (pics available), but even though it was cloudy and windy, it was warm and muggy, so a swimmin’ we awent! If you walked out to your waist, the crashing waves were over your head, very ocean-like. The trouble started about midnight with the lightning, followed by some very heavy rains, this was grew worse and worse. Luckily a tarp we carry with us for rain emergencys while fishing saved us, when our French Canadian neighbors told us they were going to try putting plastic over their tents to stay dry, so we did, and it saved us. However it was like sleeping in a muggy furnave, to swimming in the sleeping bag would be accurate. Well that’s the first installment, I’m exhausted, and going fishing at 4am, so I’ll type out pt2 tomorow, and it DOES get better too…

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<< Well that’s the first installment, I’m exhausted, and going fishing at 4am, so I’ll type out pt2 tomorow, and it DOES get better too…   enjoy yourself.  and don’t worry about Pt2 description.  my eyes hurt at the moment. _______ Blog, or dog? Who knows. But if you see my lost pup, please ping me! http://journals.aol.com/virginiaz/DreamingofLeonardo                   \  - –  //

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enjoy yourself.  and don’t worry about Pt2 description.  my eyes hurt at the moment.

Well that’s a step up from Rogers posts, which generally make me puke.

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enjoy yourself.  and don’t worry about Pt2 description.  my eyes hurt at the moment.

It was the hoes that gotcha, wasn’t it?

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I guess if Roidger can bore you, so can I.

Oh, you can do it soooo much better, as you’re just about to prove… Running? Vacationing? Swimming in my tent as I camped out? Well the plan was for my son (28YO) and I  to go to Maxville, Ontario for The Glengarry Highland Games, but upon approaching the border the weather report was for showers and thunderstorms, not ideal camping weather.

Oh, which son is this?   One of the ones you deserted?   Come, tell, how *do* you make up for never being there for someone?   Drink yourself into a screen-watching, usenet-posting nonentity? So plan 2 was to hold over on the USA side of the border until saturday morning to see what the weather was supposed to be, since we didn’t want to cross the border (that maryjane stuff is still illegal) if it was going to be a washout,

You really, REALLY, define everything that’s wrong with the non-working, working classes of the world. So since they said POSSIBLE light showers fri night and more steady rain sat with thunder storms, we decided to camp out near Plattsbugh,NY, cruise around in the beamer fri night and pick up some hoes.

Yunno, I believe you, I really do.   However, ho’s, my dear Wobbot, are too good for a man like you.   Any ho – displaying the natural instict for survival that most posses – would, on sight of your slovenly and decrepit frame, leg it post-haste in the oppoite direction.   There are some things that *no* woman would do for money. and it DOES get better too…

Wobbot.   A story must have many things.   Good things to include are sentences, punctuation, descriptive words, and an interesting tale.   If you can make the characters believable, so much the better.   You’ve succeeded in the latter.   Unfortunately, this renders the rest of the story pointless because you’re such an arse that NO-ONE CARES.

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Oh, you can do it soooo much better, as you’re just about to prove…

Without a doubt. Oh, which son is this?   One of the ones you deserted?

Gee, I guess if your info was correct, you’d know I only have one. I guess he’s the one who graduated HS in 3 years, now drives a BMW, and has a great life, that one? Is that the one I "deserted" LOLOL  Come, tell, how *do* you make up for never being there for someone?  

You have anal sex with them. It worked for you with your kids. Drink yourself into a screen-watching, usenet-posting nonentity?

Hmm, since I don’t drink (ok, I did drink 1 and a 1/2 wine coolers over the three days, but that was just to look cool in front of the hoes) I must assume you’ve gone horribly wrong on your intelligence reports. Did GWB or Tony Blair advise you? You really, REALLY, define everything that’s wrong with the non-working, working classes of the world.

I was kidding Rog! Maryjanes legal in CND. Yunno, I believe you, I really do.   However, ho’s, my dear Wobbot, are too good for a man like you.   Any ho – displaying the natural instict for survival that most posses – would, on sight of your slovenly and decrepit frame, leg it post-haste in the oppoite direction.   There are some things that *no* woman would do for money.

You obviously need crack over there. It’s a johns best friend, since crack came around the prices of hoes went down by 2/3′rds, and they’ll do anything for $5 (prolly 12 squid in your area). Wobbot.   A story must have many things.   Good things to include are sentences, punctuation, descriptive words, and an interesting tale.   If you can make the characters believable, so much the better.   You’ve succeeded in the latter.   Unfortunately, this renders the rest of the story pointless because you’re such an arse that NO-ONE CARES.

Why DID you kill your asrsehole friend Roger? C’mon, spill it. We know it’s your fault the piece of trash is dead, so tell us the truth and you’ll feel better. We feel the worlds a better place without a big pile of dog poop like that stinking up the world. I bet he blamed you in the note too. Tell me, did he blow his brains out? Got pics of the splatter? I like that stuff.

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Question:

Take a water jug along and fill it up.  At your site, use a dishpan and soapy water. After the dishes have all the food off, use a pot on your cookstove to boil water, then pour on the dishes to sterilize them.  Some use a Clorox and water solution, instead.

What do you do with the dirty water?  Throw it downwind?  Pour it on your neighbors tent?  Save it for next time?  I know how to wash dishes, getting rid of the food flecked dishwater was what gave me pause.  I really did not know what to do with it, the quarters were close and I wanted to be a good neighbor. Corky Scott

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Pour it on the fire.  The grass there is already dead, and nature will take care of the Ph  imbalance before it gets back to the ground water.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Take a water jug along and fill it up.  At your site, use a dishpan and soapy water. After the dishes have all the food off, use a pot on your cookstove to boil water, then pour on the dishes to sterilize them.  Some use a Clorox and water solution, instead. What do you do with the dirty water?  Throw it downwind?  Pour it on your neighbors tent?  Save it for next time?  I know how to wash dishes, getting rid of the food flecked dishwater was what gave me pause.  I really did not know what to do with it, the quarters were close and I wanted to be a good neighbor. Corky Scott

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Pour it on the fire.  The grass there is already dead, and nature will take care of the Ph  imbalance before it gets back to the ground water.

Or scratch a little hole, and let it soak back into the ground. — Jim in NC — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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Pour it on the fire.  The grass there is already dead, and nature will take care of the Ph  imbalance before it gets back to the ground water. Or scratch a little hole, and let it soak back into the ground. — Jim in NC

Or find where zoom is staying and do with it as you will Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

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The dish water? Surely, the prevailing RAH opinion would call for water from a different pot altogether.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Pour it on the fire.  The grass there is already dead, and nature will take care of the Ph  imbalance before it gets back to the ground water. Or scratch a little hole, and let it soak back into the ground. — Jim in NC Or find where zoom is staying and do with it as you will Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

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2 solutions to the dirty dishes: 1.  Paper plates and plastic hardware (Knife, fork, spoon, spork, whatever) 2.  Fill one of those 5 gallon collapsable water containers (sold at Wal Mart or camping stores) at the drinking fountains in the campground (they have a valve down below that can be opened to fill the container) and bring it back to your campsite, heat the water on a coleman stove, open fire or even one of those solar water heaters (black bag filled with water and hung in the sun normally used for showering). Scott 29 year OSH veteran – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You should not have any problem getting a camp site in the camp ground. We have never run out of sites in the campground.  It might be a long walk to the shower houses. There are a couple of camp stores. There are portapotties everywhere as we grab all there are in a 6 state area. One thing I never figured out was where do you clean off your dirty dishes and pans if you are camping?  RV’s have their own kitchen but those who are camping don’t.  You can’t, or shouldn’t be washing food off your dishes at the communal water trough’s so where do you go? Corky Scott

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Or if you feel REALLY bad about discharging gray water unto the ground, dump it in a portapottie… Scott – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Pour it on the fire.  The grass there is already dead, and nature will take care of the Ph  imbalance before it gets back to the ground water. Or scratch a little hole, and let it soak back into the ground.

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2.  Fill one of those 5 gallon collapsable water containers (sold at Wal Mart or camping stores) at the drinking fountains in the campground (they have a valve down below that can be opened to fill the container) and bring it back to your campsite, heat the water on a coleman stove, open fire or even one of those solar water heaters (black bag filled with water and hung in the sun normally used for showering). Scott

Scott, the question now is: What do you do with the dirty dishwater when you are through washing the pots and pans?  Even if you use paper plates and plastic spoons, you still cook the food in something that needs to be cleaned.  How do you dispose of it in a sanitary manner? We aren’t talking trackless wilderness here, we’re talking tent city. I wouldn’t think it would be good manners to be dumping scummy water on the ground next to the neighboring tents. The suggestion has been made to dump it in the Porto toilets, is this acceptable to EAA? Thanks,  Corky Scott

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Pour it on the fire.  The grass there is already dead, and nature will take care of the Ph  imbalance before it gets back to the ground water.

Dude, Coleman stove, no campfire. Corky Scott

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If we have leftover dishwater (or cooking water, such as used for boiling pasta), we often pour it in the road or a non-traffic area. However, we got a pop up camper last year so if necessary, we can drain to a outside waste container that can be dumped at a station later. However, we rarely have that much water and still dump it outside. As for camping, don’t worry about it. They always have room. One year I couldn’t get there til friday, and wound up on 1st street near the frontage road. It was a LONG walk, but I was there! John

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DOH! Hey, wait, doesn’t that take the fun out of camping?

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UW-O dorms are like camping with running water down the hall. {;-) Jim Jim Weir    (A&P/IA, CFI, & other good alphabet soup) VP Eng RST   Pres. Cyberchapter   EAA Tech. Counselor

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UW-O dorms are like camping with running water down the hall. {;-) Jim Jim Weir    (A&P/IA, CFI, & other good alphabet soup) VP Eng RST   Pres. Cyberchapter   EAA Tech. Counselor

Yes, after sleeping one two nights in the tent and enduring the crappy shower trailers, we headed for the dorms and found a room mid-week and spent the rest of the time there.  Nobody bothered our tent of its contents and it survived the thunderstorms that knocked many other tents down.  And they were all laughing at me for my ammo box full of rail road spikes…  Good think the 182 has a decent useful load! Matt

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I walk out into the huge, wide area between rows of aircraft and pour it on the ground. Dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Take a water jug along and fill it up.  At your site, use a dishpan and soapy water. After the dishes have all the food off, use a pot on your cookstove to boil water, then pour on the dishes to sterilize them.  Some use a Clorox and water solution, instead. What do you do with the dirty water?  Throw it downwind?  Pour it on your neighbors tent?  Save it for next time?  I know how to wash dishes, getting rid of the food flecked dishwater was what gave me pause.  I really did not know what to do with it, the quarters were close and I wanted to be a good neighbor. Corky Scott

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I went in 2002 and arrived midweek. I was placed in an empty spot on the SECOND row near the registration booth on the north 40. It was a perfect spot. Close to water, registration, north gate and showers. dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If we have leftover dishwater (or cooking water, such as used for boiling pasta), we often pour it in the road or a non-traffic area. However, we got a pop up camper last year so if necessary, we can drain to a outside waste container that can be dumped at a station later. However, we rarely have that much water and still dump it outside. As for camping, don’t worry about it. They always have room. One year I couldn’t get there til friday, and wound up on 1st street near the frontage road. It was a LONG walk, but I was there! John

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What do you do with the dirty water?  Throw it downwind?  Pour it on your neighbors tent?  Save it for next time?  I know how to wash dishes, getting rid of the food flecked dishwater was what gave me pause.  I really did not know what to do with it, the quarters were close and I wanted to be a good neighbor.

All the solid food matter gets scraped off into a trash bag and is placed in one of the campground dumpsters. What solid food matter remaining on your cooking implements should be minimal. Wash them in a dishpan and disperse the dirty water in the taxi aisle between the rows of airplanes. If you are in the campground, pour it on the roadway (it will help keep the dust down). Tips to minimalize waste: 1) cook food wrapped in aluminum foil 2) use paper plates and cups 3) use plastic utensils 4) buy pre-packaged instant food (boil-a-bag rice, instant oatmeal, frozen veggies); anything packaged in such a manner that you can drop it into a pan of boiling/hot water to cook or heat. You can also use ziplock freezer bags to heat food in hot water. Backpacker freeze dried meals have an excellent selection available. You prepare them in the foil pouch they come in by adding boiling water, and you can eat directly from the pouch when ready. I took my two kids (11&10) with me last year. I walked over to Piggly Wiggly each day after the airshow and purchased groceries for each evening meal. I didn’t have to worry of keeping anything other than the   milk cold. I fixed steak and chicken breasts for dinner. The grill I brought didn’t even get dirty. Cooked the meat in heavy duty aluminum foil and threw it away after dinner. I fixed balanced meals just as I do at home. We had corn on the cob, frozen veggies, mashed potatoes, baked potatoes, rice, gravy, etc.

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I am planning to attend Airventure for the first time this year.  I thought I’d drive up the morning of the 27th and camp for 3 nights. Is it likely I will be able to get a site at that time? How are the facilities? Thx Chris

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You should not have any problem getting a camp site in the camp ground. We have never run out of sites in the campground.  It might be a long walk to the shower houses. There are a couple of camp stores. There are portapotties everywhere as we grab all there are in a 6 state area. — Cy Galley – Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair Safety Programs Editor – TC EAA Sport Pilot

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You should not have any problem getting a camp site in the camp ground. We have never run out of sites in the campground.  It might be a long walk to the shower houses. There are a couple of camp stores. There are portapotties everywhere as we grab all there are in a 6 state area.

One thing I never figured out was where do you clean off your dirty dishes and pans if you are camping?  RV’s have their own kitchen but those who are camping don’t.  You can’t, or shouldn’t be washing food off your dishes at the communal water trough’s so where do you go? Corky Scott

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where do you clean off your dirty dishes and pans if you are camping?  RV’s have their own kitchen but those who are camping don’t.  You can’t, or shouldn’t be washing food off your dishes at the communal water trough’s so where do you go? Corky Scott

Take a water jug along and fill it up.  At your site, use a dishpan and soapy water. After the dishes have all the food off, use a pot on your cookstove to boil water, then pour on the dishes to sterilize them.  Some use a Clorox and water solution, instead. — Jim in NC — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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Jay, Where do you plan to be camping this year, and how do we find your tent? Also, about what time do you eat dinner?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What do you do with the dirty water?  Throw it downwind?  Pour it on your neighbors tent?  Save it for next time?  I know how to wash dishes, getting rid of the food flecked dishwater was what gave me pause.  I really did not know what to do with it, the quarters were close and I wanted to be a good neighbor. All the solid food matter gets scraped off into a trash bag and is placed in one of the campground dumpsters. What solid food matter remaining on your cooking implements should be minimal. Wash them in a dishpan and disperse the dirty water in the taxi aisle between the rows of airplanes. If you are in the campground, pour it on the roadway (it will help keep the dust down). Tips to minimalize waste: 1) cook food wrapped in aluminum foil 2) use paper plates and cups 3) use plastic utensils 4) buy pre-packaged instant food (boil-a-bag rice, instant oatmeal, frozen veggies); anything packaged in such a manner that you can drop it into a pan of boiling/hot water to cook or heat. You can also use ziplock freezer bags to heat food in hot water. Backpacker freeze dried meals have an excellent selection available. You prepare them in the foil pouch they come in by adding boiling water, and you can eat directly from the pouch when ready. I took my two kids (11&10) with me last year. I walked over to Piggly Wiggly each day after the airshow and purchased groceries for each evening meal. I didn’t have to worry of keeping anything other than the   milk cold. I fixed steak and chicken breasts for dinner. The grill I brought didn’t even get dirty. Cooked the meat in heavy duty aluminum foil and threw it away after dinner. I fixed balanced meals just as I do at home. We had corn on the cob, frozen veggies, mashed potatoes, baked potatoes, rice, gravy, etc.

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Jay, Where do you plan to be camping this year, and how do we find your tent? Also, about what time do you eat dinner?

And what are you serving???

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Pour it on the fire.  The grass there is already dead, and nature will  take care of the Ph  imbalance before it gets back to the ground water. Or scratch a little hole, and let it soak back into the ground.

I’ve yet to make the hajj to OSH, but I’ve done some pretty large camping events – 10,000 people on site for up to two weeks.  The campground has sump pits near the water faucets – a cubic-yard hole in the ground filled with gravel and covered by wire mesh. DON’T pour the greywater in the porta-potty.  You do not want to risk a backsplash.  Besides, imagine how it would sound to a passer-by.

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"Green refrigerators by the flightline"?  WTF izzat?

a. Raw material for Lanceair builders? b. Sails for Tom Hanks raft? c. Places to p00p? d. All of the above? Rich "This is not an essay question" S. )

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Green refrigerators by the flightline"?  WTF izzat? a. Raw material for Lanceair builders? b. Sails for Tom Hanks raft? c. Places to p00p? d. All of the above? Rich "This is not an essay question" S. )

Thanks for having my 6!   — Jim in NC — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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Thanks for having my 6!   — Jim in NC

Couldn’t resist – sorry. Rich "I love the smell of Port-o-Lets in the morning!" S

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Ah, I think I see now.  They’ve been GREY the last few years, and I *think* Jim has said before that he’s color blind…  and they are definately *NOT* refrigerating but perhaps Jim was being sarcastic… Russell Kent

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Green refrigerators by the flightline"?  WTF izzat? a. Raw material for Lanceair builders? b. Sails for Tom Hanks raft? c. Places to p00p? d. All of the above? Rich "This is not an essay question" S. ) Thanks for having my 6!   — Jim in NC — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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Ah, I think I see now.  They’ve been GREY the last few years, and I *think* Jim has said before that he’s color blind…  and they are definately *NOT* refrigerating but perhaps Jim was being sarcastic… Russell Kent

I’m not color blind, and I didn’t remember the color, so I just took a stab at it and said green.  Green and blue are the common colors I see around here.  And you are right;  sarcasm was the goal, and they are *hot* instead of cold, on a sunny day.  It just helps the aroma! <g — Jim in NC — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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Ah, I think I see now.  They’ve been GREY the last few years, and I *think* Jim has said before that he’s color blind…  and they are definatel *NOT refrigerating but perhaps Jim was being sarcastic… I’m not color blind, and I didn’t remember the color, so I just took a stab at it and said green.  Green and blue are the common colors I see around here.  And you are right;  sarcasm was the goal, and they are *hot* instead of cold, on a sunny day.  It just helps the aroma! <g

And if you are an old time OSH attendee, you will remember the portapottie provider with the slogan (on T-shirts no less) which proudly stated: "LET METRO PUT YOU IN THE WHITE HOUSE"

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"Green refrigerators by the flightline"?  WTF izzat? BTW, I concur with several other posters’ statements that AirVenture attendees & volunteers are a notably honorable group. Russell Kent

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   Theft is quite rare at OSH.  I’ve been there every year for the last 10 years. There are many stories of recovered wallets with no loss of money, but you never know.  I stay at the EAA campground and usually just lock up my camera and any other small valuables in the car (hopefully this will be in the plane by 2006) during the day.  Chairs, coolers, tents, food, and other misc is very safe if they don’t get blown away by a passing thunderstorm. Steve Campbell I left a digital camera and fanny pack in one of the "green refrigerators" by the flightline, and someone took the time to find lost and found, and turn it in, wallet and camera in original condition. — Jim in NC — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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I’ll probably be camping at OshKosh, and I would like a place to lock up my stuff during the day. Are there lockers available?  Has theft typically been a problem in the more remote camping areas, or would I be OK to just leave my tent up and leave everything (but valuables) in it? Thanks! Steve

Steve, Some a**hole stole my towel when I was in the shower once. This year will be my 20th Oshkosh and that’s the only thing I can report. I even left an airband scanner blasting at high volume on the table at my campsite while I went out sightseeing once.  It was still there blasting away when I returned. All in all I think EAAers are a pretty honest bunch. BillC

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  Theft is quite rare at OSH.  I’ve been there every year for the last 10 years. There are many stories of recovered wallets with no loss of money, but you never know.  I stay at the EAA campground and usually just lock up my camera and any other small valuables in the car (hopefully this will be in the plane by 2006) during the day.  Chairs, coolers, tents, food, and other misc is very safe if they don’t get blown away by a passing thunderstorm. Steve Campbell

I left a digital camera and fanny pack in one of the "green refrigerators" by the flightline, and someone took the time to find lost and found, and turn it in, wallet and camera in original condition. — Jim in NC — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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I’ll probably be camping at OshKosh, and I would like a place to lock up my stuff during the day. Are there lockers available?  Has theft typically been a problem in the more remote camping areas, or would I be OK to just leave my tent up and leave everything (but valuables) in it? Thanks! Steve

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Steve,   Theft is quite rare at OSH.  I’ve been there every year for the last 10 years. There are many stories of recovered wallets with no loss of money, but you never know.  I stay at the EAA campground and usually just lock up my camera and any other small valuables in the car (hopefully this will be in the plane by 2006) during the day.  Chairs, coolers, tents, food, and other misc is very safe if they don’t get blown away by a passing thunderstorm. Steve Campbell

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ll probably be camping at OshKosh, and I would like a place to lock up my stuff during the day. Are there lockers available?  Has theft typically been a problem in the more remote camping areas, or would I be OK to just leave my tent up and leave everything (but valuables) in it? Thanks! Steve

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This will be my 32nd straight year, and as yet, nobody has stolen so much as a Kleenex on the flight line or in the aircraft camping/tiedown areas. The only thing I lost was a digital clock that some bastard stole back in ‘78 when I was doing commercial display in the old tents. Jim   Has theft typically been -a problem in the more remote camping areas, or would I be OK to just leave -my tent up and leave everything (but valuables) in it? – -Thanks! – -Steve – Jim Weir    (A&P/IA, CFI, & other good alphabet soup) VP Eng RST   Pres. Cyberchapter   EAA Tech. Counselor

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Hey, there’s a good question. How many of you actually get a stall warning in the flare? Every time. — Dan C172RG at BFM

But Dan, you sign as C172! That’s intended to be lighthearted, you know.

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But Dan, you sign as C172! That’s intended to be lighthearted, you know.

Sorry, Tony; what??

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Hey, there’s a good question. How many of you actually get a stall warning in the flare?

Then you screwed up your short field landing.  The stall warning comes on final.  Any later and you use too much runway.

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That’s easy cause your 201 won’t hold much. A couple of tooth brushes and underwear maybe! I don’t remember my Mooney 1977 201 (N201MW), other than it didn’t hold much weight. Everything in aviation is a compromise. In my Cessna 185 I give up a little speed to my Mooney. But after I load 8 hours of fuel (92 usable), and four FAA passengers (170#) I can still load 180 pounds of baggage.

I have a 1000 lbs even of useful load in my Mooney. I only drink 10 gal/hr so I don’t need as much gas. -Robert

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Hey, there’s a good question. How many of you actually get a stall warning in the flare?

Everytime. I like my prop the length it is. BTW: Holding in a bit of RPM AFTER TOUCH DOWN is a good soft field technique in a Mooney, but not great for short. I’ve loaded my Mooney on beaches in Mexico on several occations. It does great on the soft stuff as long as its not deep. -Robert

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, I did my commercial training in a old Mooney with a Johnson bar.  Once it gathers itself up and gets some speed on it’s pretty nice.  Tight ailerons with little control wheel throw.  Pitch okay.  etc. The vintage panel sucked, the luggage hole is fine for flight bags and little stuff. But I can imagine that packing the way we do in our Maule just wouldn’t work.  We pay absolutely no attention to  size, shape, or weight.  We just open the big door – or both doors, and put it in.    It’s easy to see that travel in the Mooney would call for many smaller bags and a bit of planning. Landings were sweet.  Short field even sweeter.  At about 80mph, I’m guessing that whatever laminar flow characteristics the wing has falls away, and the a/c assumes a good rate of descent, with some power, and with just enough energy to flare with no float.

This varies a lot depending on the length of the Mooney. The F got longer, then the M got longer yet. As they got longer, the short field got harder and keeping the nose high on touch down got harder. 80 mph is pretty fast over the fence for the non-turbo Mooneys. 75 mph works good for heavy, and 72 seems to work good for light. Every 10 mph extra over the fence seems to cost about 1000 feet of runway. -Robert, CFI, Mooney owner.

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How do most of the Bonanza/Cessna pilots here do it? Why would anyone put a baggage door on the bottom of the baggage area. Its like loading your truck though a little hole near the license plate on your car. I’ve helped a guy load his Mooney (on his final flight, but that’s another story), and was appalled at how truly difficult it was to load suitcases and other luggage through that dinky little hole cut into the TOP of the fuselage.

Interesting. I’ve always been impressed with how big that opening is. I’ve actually climbed into the back seat through it on a couple of occasions while working on the plane. I’m 6′4" 220lbs. You have to do a virtual dead lift, straight up, then over, and then down into the cabin — preferably without scratching the paint.  A truly bad design.

But the alternative is to have to load each bag, then lift it up and slide other bags under it. That surely can’t be better than the Mooney method. Perhaps my family of 4 just carries a lot more bags than most.

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But the alternative is to have to load each bag, then lift it up and slide other bags under it. That surely can’t be better than the Mooney method. Perhaps my family of 4 just carries a lot more bags than most.

Our door is big enough to actually fit my body inside the plane.  If I have enough luggage to fill it to the top of the fuselage (usually a camping trip, with coolers, tents, etc.)  it takes a bit of pre-planning to load all the baggage in a logical order. Sometimes the last couple of items must be "dropped in" over the back seats. Still, for 90% of our trips, we don’t come close to filling the baggage compartment, even with four people. — Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination"

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You guy’s all have it easy!!  Try loading anything into the back of my Citabria (the new ones do have an option for a baggage door).  I have the smaller engine 7ECA so I can easily carry the weight for a couple’s weekend bags.  Tough to get them back there however, I have to kneel on the back seat.  It’s shame really because there’s plenty of room for soft bags. Dave 68 7ECA – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – But the alternative is to have to load each bag, then lift it up and slide other bags under it. That surely can’t be better than the Mooney method. Perhaps my family of 4 just carries a lot more bags than most. Our door is big enough to actually fit my body inside the plane.  If I have enough luggage to fill it to the top of the fuselage (usually a camping trip, with coolers, tents, etc.)  it takes a bit of pre-planning to load all the baggage in a logical order. Sometimes the last couple of items must be "dropped in" over the back seats. Still, for 90% of our trips, we don’t come close to filling the baggage compartment, even with four people.

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The other day I saw a guy drive up to his Bonanza with a car load of bags. This is something I’ve done for years in my Mooney but many years since I’ve flown a Bonanza or Cessna. In my Mooney, the baggage door opens at the top of the cabin (the door is long enough that it goes down to the middle and opens like a clam shell, much like a car’s trunk). I can easily load heavey bag on top of heavy bag in the Mooney by dropping them down on top of each other. How did I do it back in the Bonanza days? It looks like I must have had to load a bag in the bottom door , reach in, hold that bag up and then slide another bag under it. Or perhaps I climbed in through the back seat and loaded the bags that way. How do most of the Bonanza/Cessna pilots here do it? Why would anyone put a baggage door on the bottom of the baggage area. Its like loading your truck though a little hole near the license plate on your car. -Robert

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Why would anyone build a plane with manual gear and hydraulic flaps, like many Moonys? Why would anyone build a plane with only one door like Cherokees, Moneys, and most Beechcraft? Why would anyone build a plane with the wing on top? Why would anyone build a plane with the wing on the bottom? Why … ? Look, I think your question is probably a tounge-in-cheek jab at Bonanza drivers. But it comes off as pretty close to being a troll. It would be pretty impractical to put a top hinged baggage door on a Bone because the top of fuselage is several feet higher off the ground than a Mooney. Maybe Cessna could have done it, but I suspect the engineering and production costs of such a feature would result in a higher price. By the way, why do they stick the tail on backwards on Mooneys? Steve Robertson N4732J 1967 Beechcraft A23-24 Musketeer Super III – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The other day I saw a guy drive up to his Bonanza with a car load of bags. This is something I’ve done for years in my Mooney but many years since I’ve flown a Bonanza or Cessna. In my Mooney, the baggage door opens at the top of the cabin (the door is long enough that it goes down to the middle and opens like a clam shell, much like a car’s trunk). I can easily load heavey bag on top of heavy bag in the Mooney by dropping them down on top of each other. How did I do it back in the Bonanza days? It looks like I must have had to load a bag in the bottom door , reach in, hold that bag up and then slide another bag under it. Or perhaps I climbed in through the back seat and loaded the bags that way. How do most of the Bonanza/Cessna pilots here do it? Why would anyone put a baggage door on the bottom of the baggage area. Its like loading your truck though a little hole near the license plate on your car. -Robert

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Look, I think your question is probably a tounge-in-cheek jab at Bonanza drivers. But it comes off as pretty close to being a troll. It would be pretty impractical to put a top hinged baggage door on a Bone because the top of fuselage is several feet higher off the ground than a Mooney. Maybe Cessna could have done it, but I suspect the engineering and production costs of such a feature would result in a higher price. By the way, why do they stick the tail on backwards on Mooneys?

Didn’t you know? We Mooney jocks like our tail backwards. AJW

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That’s easy cause your 201 won’t hold much. A couple of tooth brushes and underwear maybe! I don’t remember my Mooney 1977 201 (N201MW), other than it didn’t hold much weight. Everything in aviation is a compromise. In my Cessna 185 I give up a little speed to my Mooney. But after I load 8 hours of fuel (92 usable), and four FAA passengers (170#) I can still load 180 pounds of baggage. Try that in your Bonanza! Further, my 185 is a PIG, as far as weight. Dual IFR GPS, G330-TIS TXP, KX-165A, HSI, DME, ADF etc etc. OK, so I can only go 140 knots. But at least my stuff comes along with. Best, Karl – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The other day I saw a guy drive up to his Bonanza with a car load of bags. This is something I’ve done for years in my Mooney but many years since I’ve flown a Bonanza or Cessna. In my Mooney, the baggage door opens at the top of the cabin (the door is long enough that it goes down to the middle and opens like a clam shell, much like a car’s trunk). I can easily load heavey bag on top of heavy bag in the Mooney by dropping them down on top of each other. How did I do it back in the Bonanza days? It looks like I must have had to load a bag in the bottom door , reach in, hold that bag up and then slide another bag under it. Or perhaps I climbed in through the back seat and loaded the bags that way. How do most of the Bonanza/Cessna pilots here do it? Why would anyone put a baggage door on the bottom of the baggage area. Its like loading your truck though a little hole near the license plate on your car. -Robert

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Well, Mooney/Bonanza discussions are a little out of my league … a bit below me if you will. But I’ll bet the real reason has to do with Mooney’s steel tube cabin cage versus what I think is a stressed skin (monowhatever) structure on the Cessna’s and Bo’s.  I think that steel tube structure is what tends to be corroded on older Mooneys. My Maule has a cargo door almost as big as the other 3, yes 3, passenger doors.  Tube and fabric allows that easily. We pile 4 in there, 70lbs of luggage in the back, another 20  with the passengers, and 4 hours of fuel.  It’s just going so slow that we need the 4 hours to get anywhere. But put 2 in and *anything* you could possibly want with 4.5 hours.  It’s a clean machine!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The other day I saw a guy drive up to his Bonanza with a car load of bags. This is something I’ve done for years in my Mooney but many years since I’ve flown a Bonanza or Cessna. In my Mooney, the baggage door opens at the top of the cabin (the door is long enough that it goes down to the middle and opens like a clam shell, much like a car’s trunk). I can easily load heavey bag on top of heavy bag in the Mooney by dropping them down on top of each other. How did I do it back in the Bonanza days? It looks like I must have had to load a bag in the bottom door , reach in, hold that bag up and then slide another bag under it. Or perhaps I climbed in through the back seat and loaded the bags that way. How do most of the Bonanza/Cessna pilots here do it? Why would anyone put a baggage door on the bottom of the baggage area. Its like loading your truck though a little hole near the license plate on your car. -Robert

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Stand down there Steve. Why are you so harsh? I think Robert had a legitimate question and it partially applies to Cherokee drivers (although putting very heavy bags in the baggage area of many Cherokee models isn’t a great idea). Also, I’m sure he would have thought up a better subject in which to slam Bo and Cessna models. BTW, I heard–probably from this newsgroup–that the Mooney tail design was for better handling at higher angles of attack (say in a flare). Marco

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Why would anyone build a plane with manual gear and hydraulic flaps, like many Moonys? Why would anyone build a plane with only one door like Cherokees, Moneys, and most Beechcraft? Why would anyone build a plane with the wing on top? Why would anyone build a plane with the wing on the bottom? Why … ? Look, I think your question is probably a tounge-in-cheek jab at Bonanza drivers. But it comes off as pretty close to being a troll. It would be pretty impractical to put a top hinged baggage door on a Bone because the top of fuselage is several feet higher off the ground than a Mooney. Maybe Cessna could have done it, but I suspect the engineering and production costs of such a feature would result in a higher price. By the way, why do they stick the tail on backwards on Mooneys? Steve Robertson N4732J 1967 Beechcraft A23-24 Musketeer Super III The other day I saw a guy drive up to his Bonanza with a car load of bags. This is something I’ve done for years in my Mooney but many years since I’ve flown a Bonanza or Cessna. In my Mooney, the baggage door opens at the top of the cabin (the door is long enough that it goes down to the middle and opens like a clam shell, much like a car’s trunk). I can easily load heavey bag on top of heavy bag in the Mooney by dropping them down on top of each other. How did I do it back in the Bonanza days? It looks like I must have had to load a bag in the bottom door , reach in, hold that bag up and then slide another bag under it. Or perhaps I climbed in through the back seat and loaded the bags that way. How do most of the Bonanza/Cessna pilots here do it? Why would anyone put a baggage door on the bottom of the baggage area. Its like loading your truck though a little hole near the license plate on your car. -Robert

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Hey, there’s a good question. How many of you actually get a stall warning in the flare?

Every time. — Dan C172RG at BFM

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Well, I did my commercial training in a old Mooney with a Johnson bar.  Once it gathers itself up and gets some speed on it’s pretty nice.  Tight ailerons with little control wheel throw.  Pitch okay.  etc. The vintage panel sucked, the luggage hole is fine for flight bags and little stuff. But I can imagine that packing the way we do in our Maule just wouldn’t work.  We pay absolutely no attention to  size, shape, or weight.  We just open the big door – or both doors, and put it in.    It’s easy to see that travel in the Mooney would call for many smaller bags and a bit of planning. Landings were sweet.  Short field even sweeter.  At about 80mph, I’m guessing that whatever laminar flow characteristics the wing has falls away, and the a/c assumes a good rate of descent, with some power, and with just enough energy to flare with no float.  Chop the power a wingspan and a half high and you’re done.  (I didn’t add any rpms but that would allow the wheel to stay up after touch)  I know people find some of the later models a bit challenging at times but that wasn’t my experience.  Much easier to land consistently and short over an obstacle than my Maule – though I can get the Maule shorter just by virture of speed, but not much. The 180hp Mooney is a hog on T.O. compared to my 180hp Maule whatever the loading.  And it feels like crap at slow speeds on initial climb or in slow speed manuevers. But the sweetest part is getting there 30% faster with the same engine and fuel burn.  That is sweet!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mooneys have their shortcomings, you’ve IDed one of them. A hurt back can prevent you from getting aboard, that’s another. On the positive side, among SEL airplanes I’ve known, the Mooney is among the best endorphin producers I’ve known. It’s easy to pick out the Mooney driver at the fixed base office (no, not because his suit pants are dirty because he just checked his fuel) — we’re the ones with the big smiles on our faces. And it’s NOT because we get out tail backwards, it’s because it’s a sweet airplane to fly. BTW, if you want to land one really short (no, damn it, with the gear down) add a few RPMs deep in the flare and if you get the yoke all the way back you’ll be able to do a three point touch down the old fashioned way. Hey, there’s a good question. How many of you actually get a stall warning in the flare?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I’ve helped a guy load his Mooney (on his final flight, but that’s another story), and was appalled at how truly difficult it was to load suitcases and other luggage through that dinky little hole cut into the TOP of the fuselage. You have to do a virtual dead lift, straight up, then over, and then down into the cabin — preferably without scratching the paint.  A truly bad design. My Cherokee, on the other hand, has a side baggage door that opens wide and tall, and allows me to load 200 pounds of luggage without lifting any higher than the very bottom of the fuselage. The designers of the Cherokee got this one right.  Mooney, however, did not. — Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination"

Mooneys have their shortcomings, you’ve IDed one of them. A hurt back can prevent you from getting aboard, that’s another. On the positive side, among SEL airplanes I’ve known, the Mooney is among the best endorphin producers I’ve known. It’s easy to pick out the Mooney driver at the fixed base office (no, not because his suit pants are dirty because he just checked his fuel) — we’re the ones with the big smiles on our faces. And it’s NOT because we get out tail backwards, it’s because it’s a sweet airplane to fly. BTW, if you want to land one really short (no, damn it, with the gear down) add a few RPMs deep in the flare and if you get the yoke all the way back you’ll be able to do a three point touch down the old fashioned way. Hey, there’s a good question. How many of you actually get a stall warning in the flare?

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The other day I saw a guy drive up to his Bonanza with a car load of bags. This is something I’ve done for years in my Mooney but many years since I’ve flown a Bonanza or Cessna. In my Mooney, the baggage door opens at the top of the cabin (the door is long enough that it goes down to the middle and opens like a clam shell, much like a car’s trunk). I can easily load heavey bag on top of heavy bag in the Mooney by dropping them down on top of each other. How did I do it back in the Bonanza days? It looks like I must have had to load a bag in the bottom door , reach in, hold that bag up and then slide another bag under it. Or perhaps I climbed in through the back seat and loaded the bags that way. How do most of the Bonanza/Cessna pilots here do it? Why would anyone put a baggage door on the bottom of the baggage area. Its like loading your truck though a little hole near the license plate on your car.

My Cherokee has the bottom opening door that is only ~2" tall.  It is a pain to load luggage.  I usually fly without the rear seats, so will load bags from the front door.

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How do most of the Bonanza/Cessna pilots here do it? Why would anyone put a baggage door on the bottom of the baggage area. Its like loading your truck though a little hole near the license plate on your car.

I’ve helped a guy load his Mooney (on his final flight, but that’s another story), and was appalled at how truly difficult it was to load suitcases and other luggage through that dinky little hole cut into the TOP of the fuselage. You have to do a virtual dead lift, straight up, then over, and then down into the cabin — preferably without scratching the paint.  A truly bad design. My Cherokee, on the other hand, has a side baggage door that opens wide and tall, and allows me to load 200 pounds of luggage without lifting any higher than the very bottom of the fuselage. The designers of the Cherokee got this one right.  Mooney, however, did not. — Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination"

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Or perhaps I climbed in through the back seat and loaded the bags that way. How do most of the Bonanza/Cessna pilots here do it?

I use a hydraulic ram, a chainsaw and vaseline to make suitcases fit through the baggage door on the Cutlass. — Dan C172RG at BFM

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By the way, why do they stick the tail on backwards on Mooneys? Didn’t you know? We Mooney jocks like our tail backwards.

LOL!  There HAD to be a comeback ’cause I’m sure Steve isn’t the first person to look at a Mooney tail and think "wtf is up with that?" -c

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Hi George, Thanks again.   It looks pretty nice.   I already booked 8 days at Anastasia, even though I wanted to stay a few days longer:   That first week of March is *really* tight at Anastasia.   In any case, I’ll look into Hanna City for the remainder of my itinerary. Thanks, BG

Bill, I should have included the web site — Here it is:

http://www.coj.net/Departments/Parks+and+Recreation/Recreation+Activi… nna+Park/default.htm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – George Hey George, Thanks for the input.  I’ll check it out. BG Bill, Just north of St Augustine, actually a bit north of Jacksonville Beach on A1A is a place called Hanna City Park. They have, IIRC, over 400 spaces and many are 90 ft pull throughs with 50 amp power, water and sewer.  You might check it out… George

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Bill, I should have included the web site — Here it is: http://www.coj.net/Departments/Parks+and+Recreation/Recreation+Activi… George – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey George, Thanks for the input.  I’ll check it out. BG Bill, Just north of St Augustine, actually a bit north of Jacksonville Beach on A1A is a place called Hanna City Park. They have, IIRC, over 400 spaces and many are 90 ft pull throughs with 50 amp power, water and sewer.  You might check it out… George

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Hey George, Thanks for the input.  I’ll check it out. BG

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bill, Just north of St Augustine, actually a bit north of Jacksonville Beach on A1A is a place called Hanna City Park. They have, IIRC, over 400 spaces and many are 90 ft pull throughs with 50 amp power, water and sewer.  You might check it out… George Hi Group, I’m tentatively planning an RV trip to Anastasia Island state park in northern FL for about 10 days around late February to early March.  I have a 20 foot TT. Any feedback from those who’ve stayed there would be much appreciated: What are the better camping areas/sites in the park?   I intend to make reservations, but I’d like to get the best site I possibly can. How busy is it that time of year?   Anything else I should know? Thanks, BG Bill, it’s a great state park.  Reservations are a must.  Most sites are quite spacious and private. Remember that in late Feb/early March it’s still relatively cool in northern Florida.  You may not spend much time on the beach, but nearby St. Augustine offers lots of sightseeing and non-beach activities. Hi Carl, Thanks!  I went ahead and booked a site for 8 days.   I would’ve stayed a bit longer, but that first week of March is pretty tight.   Also (for those lurkers), note that many sites are for tents or small popups… make sure your rig will fit.  My site will take up to a 22 foot RV.  I figure if I want to stay longer, I can move the rig to another site. As far as the weather goes, cool or not, it’s sure to be better here than in NJ!  I hear St. Augustine is one of ( if not *the* ) oldest cities in North America.   Should be interesting. Have fun! Believe me, I will!!!!! — Carl A. Enjoy photo-journals of my travels at http://sky.prohosting.com/chainfl/index.htm

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Hi Group, I’m tentatively planning an RV trip to Anastasia Island state park in northern FL for about 10 days around late February to early March.  I have a 20 foot TT. Any feedback from those who’ve stayed there would be much appreciated:  What are the better camping areas/sites in the park?   I intend to make reservations, but I’d like to get the best site I possibly can.    How busy is it that time of year?   Anything else I should know? Thanks, BG

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Group, I’m tentatively planning an RV trip to Anastasia Island state park in northern FL for about 10 days around late February to early March.  I have a 20 foot TT. Any feedback from those who’ve stayed there would be much appreciated: What are the better camping areas/sites in the park?   I intend to make reservations, but I’d like to get the best site I possibly can.    How busy is it that time of year?   Anything else I should know? Thanks, BG

Bill, it’s a great state park.  Reservations are a must.  Most sites are quite spacious and private. Remember that in late Feb/early March it’s still relatively cool in northern Florida.  You may not spend much time on the beach, but nearby St. Augustine offers lots of sightseeing and non-beach activities. Have fun! — Carl A. Enjoy photo-journals of my travels at http://sky.prohosting.com/chainfl/index.htm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Group, I’m tentatively planning an RV trip to Anastasia Island state park in northern FL for about 10 days around late February to early March.  I have a 20 foot TT. Any feedback from those who’ve stayed there would be much appreciated: What are the better camping areas/sites in the park?   I intend to make reservations, but I’d like to get the best site I possibly can.    How busy is it that time of year?   Anything else I should know? Thanks, BG Bill, it’s a great state park.  Reservations are a must.  Most sites are quite spacious and private. Remember that in late Feb/early March it’s still relatively cool in northern Florida.  You may not spend much time on the beach, but nearby St. Augustine offers lots of sightseeing and non-beach activities.

Hi Carl, Thanks!  I went ahead and booked a site for 8 days.   I would’ve stayed a bit longer, but that first week of March is pretty tight.   Also (for those lurkers), note that many sites are for tents or small popups… make sure your rig will fit.  My site will take up to a 22 foot RV.  I figure if I want to stay longer, I can move the rig to another site. As far as the weather goes, cool or not, it’s sure to be better here than in NJ!  I hear St. Augustine is one of ( if not *the* ) oldest cities in North America.   Should be interesting. Have fun!

Believe me, I will!!!!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Carl A. Enjoy photo-journals of my travels at http://sky.prohosting.com/chainfl/index.htm

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Bill, Just north of St Augustine, actually a bit north of Jacksonville Beach on A1A is a place called Hanna City Park. They have, IIRC, over 400 spaces and many are 90 ft pull throughs with 50 amp power, water and sewer.  You might check it out… George – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Group, I’m tentatively planning an RV trip to Anastasia Island state park in northern FL for about 10 days around late February to early March.  I have a 20 foot TT. Any feedback from those who’ve stayed there would be much appreciated: What are the better camping areas/sites in the park?   I intend to make reservations, but I’d like to get the best site I possibly can.    How busy is it that time of year?   Anything else I should know? Thanks, BG Bill, it’s a great state park.  Reservations are a must.  Most sites are quite spacious and private. Remember that in late Feb/early March it’s still relatively cool in northern Florida.  You may not spend much time on the beach, but nearby St. Augustine offers lots of sightseeing and non-beach activities. Hi Carl, Thanks!  I went ahead and booked a site for 8 days.   I would’ve stayed a bit longer, but that first week of March is pretty tight.   Also (for those lurkers), note that many sites are for tents or small popups… make sure your rig will fit.  My site will take up to a 22 foot RV.  I figure if I want to stay longer, I can move the rig to another site. As far as the weather goes, cool or not, it’s sure to be better here than in NJ!  I hear St. Augustine is one of ( if not *the* ) oldest cities in North America.   Should be interesting. Have fun! Believe me, I will!!!!! — Carl A. Enjoy photo-journals of my travels at http://sky.prohosting.com/chainfl/index.htm

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Any link ? We know Indians exegrate every thing. making 1 to 30. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Two million huh ? Last i read 30 million were expected during the Kumbh mela in Ujjain. Two Million Pilgrims Flock To Mina MINA, Saudi Arabia, January 30 (IslamOnline.net & News Agencies) ? More than two million Muslim faithful started pouring into Mina, an arid valley near the holy city of Makkah, Friday, January 30, on the first day of the hajj rituals. "Here I am Allah, answering your call," chanted a chorus of pilgrims as the huge crowd moved on foot or by bus along the road linking Makkah to Mina, which has been transformed into a vast site of fireproof tents, reported Agence France-Presse (AFP). The journey began mid-morning, proceeding with calm and without major incident amid mild weather conditions. At least 14,200 buses, with a capacity of 673,000 seats, were mobilized to transport pilgrims, and 1,039 surveillance cameras were installed at various main roads around the holy sites. The pilgrims will continue to stream through a mountain pass to Mina, some two miles outside Makkah, throughout the day. Men are clad in a two-piece seamless white cloth which mark a state of purity that erases all differences of race, class or culture, while women are fully covered except for the hands and face. Camping out at vast tented village, the faithful will spend the day here in prayer and meditation. Before dawn on Saturday, January 31, the pilgrims will move towards Mount Arafat, a revered place in Islam where the Prophet Mohammad delivered his last sermon 14 centuries ago, for the culmination of hajj. Standing on Mount Arafat before sunset is the high point of the hajj, and pilgrims who fail to make it here on time must repeat their pilgrimage in future. On Sunday, February 1, the pilgrims will throw stones at three pillars on the spot where the Devil appeared to Prophet Abraham. Eid Al-Adha begins the same day, with the sacrificing of sheep, goats and cows to commemorate Abraham’s willingness to sacrifice his son Ismail at God’s command. Able-bodied Muslims perform hajj least once in their lifetime if they have the financial means. The Hajj is one of the ?five pillars? of Islam, and thus an essential part of Muslims? faith and practice. The Hajj consists of several ceremonies, meant to symbolize the essential concepts of the Islamic faith, and to commemorate the trials of Prophet Abraham and his family. Security The journey to Mina is taking place amid the tightest security measures, imposed by the Saudi authorities to ensure the safety of the near two million pilgrims,. The authorities have warned that they will not tolerate any attempt to undermine security during the hajj. Saudi security forces captured a wanted militant and several other suspects Thursday, January 29, after a firefight in Riyadh in which five policemen were killed. In early November they said they had foiled a plot to attack pilgrims gathered in Makkah during the Muslim fasting month of Ramadan and shot dead two "terrorists." Securing the hajj is the top priority of the 5,000 Saudi police and military deployed in and around Makkah, reported Reuters. The security forces are also in charge of controlling the vast sea of pilgrims, after stampedes and crushes killed hundreds of people over the last decade, including 14 last year. "We are ready for anything," Interior Minister Prince Nayef said earlier this week after he toured Makkah ahead of the five-day rite. Politics Saudi Arabia insists the hajj, one of the most striking manifestations of faith and unity in the world today, should be solely a religious affair. But many pilgrims have politics on their mind. "I feel like any Muslim who comes to the house of God — we want God to give the Islamic nation success, to liberate our land from the Jews and to return the al-Aqsa mosque (in Jerusalem) to Muslims," Palestinian pilgrim Ribhy Yaseen said. "We hope God will give success to the Muslim people around the world and especially in our region," said Iraqi pilgrim Qadir Khidr. Saudi officials say over 40,000 Iraqi pilgrims are in Makkah, the biggest number for years after the fall of Saddam Hussein. http://islamonline.net/

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Two million huh ? Last i read 30 million were expected during the Kumbh mela in Ujjain. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Two Million Pilgrims Flock To Mina MINA, Saudi Arabia, January 30 (IslamOnline.net & News Agencies) ? More than two million Muslim faithful started pouring into Mina, an arid valley near the holy city of Makkah, Friday, January 30, on the first day of the hajj rituals. "Here I am Allah, answering your call," chanted a chorus of pilgrims as the huge crowd moved on foot or by bus along the road linking Makkah to Mina, which has been transformed into a vast site of fireproof tents, reported Agence France-Presse (AFP). The journey began mid-morning, proceeding with calm and without major incident amid mild weather conditions. At least 14,200 buses, with a capacity of 673,000 seats, were mobilized to transport pilgrims, and 1,039 surveillance cameras were installed at various main roads around the holy sites. The pilgrims will continue to stream through a mountain pass to Mina, some two miles outside Makkah, throughout the day. Men are clad in a two-piece seamless white cloth which mark a state of purity that erases all differences of race, class or culture, while women are fully covered except for the hands and face. Camping out at vast tented village, the faithful will spend the day here in prayer and meditation. Before dawn on Saturday, January 31, the pilgrims will move towards Mount Arafat, a revered place in Islam where the Prophet Mohammad delivered his last sermon 14 centuries ago, for the culmination of hajj. Standing on Mount Arafat before sunset is the high point of the hajj, and pilgrims who fail to make it here on time must repeat their pilgrimage in future. On Sunday, February 1, the pilgrims will throw stones at three pillars on the spot where the Devil appeared to Prophet Abraham. Eid Al-Adha begins the same day, with the sacrificing of sheep, goats and cows to commemorate Abraham’s willingness to sacrifice his son Ismail at God’s command. Able-bodied Muslims perform hajj least once in their lifetime if they have the financial means. The Hajj is one of the ?five pillars? of Islam, and thus an essential part of Muslims? faith and practice. The Hajj consists of several ceremonies, meant to symbolize the essential concepts of the Islamic faith, and to commemorate the trials of Prophet Abraham and his family. Security The journey to Mina is taking place amid the tightest security measures, imposed by the Saudi authorities to ensure the safety of the near two million pilgrims,. The authorities have warned that they will not tolerate any attempt to undermine security during the hajj. Saudi security forces captured a wanted militant and several other suspects Thursday, January 29, after a firefight in Riyadh in which five policemen were killed. In early November they said they had foiled a plot to attack pilgrims gathered in Makkah during the Muslim fasting month of Ramadan and shot dead two "terrorists." Securing the hajj is the top priority of the 5,000 Saudi police and military deployed in and around Makkah, reported Reuters. The security forces are also in charge of controlling the vast sea of pilgrims, after stampedes and crushes killed hundreds of people over the last decade, including 14 last year. "We are ready for anything," Interior Minister Prince Nayef said earlier this week after he toured Makkah ahead of the five-day rite. Politics Saudi Arabia insists the hajj, one of the most striking manifestations of faith and unity in the world today, should be solely a religious affair. But many pilgrims have politics on their mind. "I feel like any Muslim who comes to the house of God — we want God to give the Islamic nation success, to liberate our land from the Jews and to return the al-Aqsa mosque (in Jerusalem) to Muslims," Palestinian pilgrim Ribhy Yaseen said. "We hope God will give success to the Muslim people around the world and especially in our region," said Iraqi pilgrim Qadir Khidr. Saudi officials say over 40,000 Iraqi pilgrims are in Makkah, the biggest number for years after the fall of Saddam Hussein. http://islamonline.net/

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  The kaaba epitomizes the jihadist’s Borg mentality..   You mean 2 million sub human morons?     better than you mother fucker pigs.       Two Million Pilgrims Flock To Mina     MINA, Saudi Arabia, January 30 (IslamOnline.net & News Agencies)

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Same advice applies for campgrounds near tracks;you may luck up and snag a last-minute cancellation,but don’t bet the ranch on it (forget the Bristol night race in August-those tickets/camping spots are written into wills and divorce decrees).

AMEN!!!!  We have relatives in Johnson City, one of the Tri Cities of Bristol, Kingsport, and Johnson City. We normally stay at the Warriors Path State Park where reservations are not taken/allowed.  We learned how the game is played. Some one goes in early and rents several campsites and, to keep with the rules, the place a piece of camping equipment on each site such as a tent.  Some use these little pop up tents such as you might have for your pooch. Not supposed to be Kosher but they still get away with it.   George

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Hi group!  Just got my first RV, a ‘93 Class C 26′ Tioga, which really has me pumped!  I got it mainly for going to races, but now I am realizing that I didn’t put much thought into the logistics of everything. Does anyone know of a good source for info on camping at the races?   I am planning on going to several different types of races, possibly the F1 races in montreal and Indy, definitely the NHRA races in Reading and Englishtown, Maybe the supercross in Indy, Nascar at several places on the eastern seaboard, whatever I can work into the schedule and afford.     Any and all info appreciated!

Great way to go to the races, you must become comfortable with dry campnig as hook ups are few and far away from the track. We go to Reading/MapleGrove every year.  Camp in a Farmers fiels across from track.  Cost is $100 for the weekend. Pete

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Hi group!  Just got my first RV, a ‘93 Class C 26′ Tioga, which really has me pumped!  I got it mainly for going to races, but now I am realizing that I didn’t put much thought into the logistics of everything. Does anyone know of a good source for info on camping at the races?   I am planning on going to several different types of races, possibly the F1 races in montreal and Indy, definitely the NHRA races in Reading and Englishtown, Maybe the supercross in Indy, Nascar at several places on the eastern seaboard, whatever I can work into the schedule and afford.     Any and all info appreciated!

   Can only advise on Nascar tracks; if you want to go to infield,GET TICKETS EARLY! Same advice applies for campgrounds near tracks;you may luck up and snag a last-minute cancellation,but don’t bet the ranch on it (forget the Bristol night race in August-those tickets/camping spots are written into wills and divorce decrees).   Most (not ALL) infields and outside (perimeter) campgrounds have a roving ‘honey-wagon’pump-out service which is handy in case you stay for 3-4 days,as we do.Keep a $20 in your pocket and a good hollerin’ voice for "HEY DUDE!! OVER HERE!!." Offer truck operator a beer/soda;it’s considered good form.   We take unused,clean 5 gal. plastic gas jugs to re-fill with water and a lil’ red wagon to haul it with.You make a lot of new friends at water stations.   Make.A.Thorough.List.Of.Everything.You.Will.Need.To.Take.;stores near vicinity of tracks are notorious for jacking up prices race weekend.   Try posting on rec.auto.sport.nascar for campground phone#s,directions,advice (there’s 2 groups listed on Google;post to the one with the more numerous posts). Go to www.jayski.com,look for link to the Nascar tracks (think it will be in left-hand column);will help as far as schedules,driving directions,ect.

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Hi group!  Just got my first RV, a ‘93 Class C 26′ Tioga, which really has me pumped!  I got it mainly for going to races, but now I am realizing that I didn’t put much thought into the logistics of everything. Does anyone know of a good source for info on camping at the races?   I am planning on going to several different types of races, possibly the F1 races in montreal and Indy, definitely the NHRA races in Reading and Englishtown, Maybe the supercross in Indy, Nascar at several places on the eastern seaboard, whatever I can work into the schedule and afford.     Any and all info appreciated!

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Well, the C140 got parked right in the middle of the show – we had a superb place to park the lawn chairs with the C140. However, they sent the C170 into the South 40, about on the threshold of the runway). The South 40 is a long way from anywhere.

There are three classes of vintage/showplane parking.   If you are a homebuilt and NOT camping, you get parked in with your type north of the communications shack (Vintage is not resposible for this area).   The first few rows south of the comm shack are reserved for things like past champions and others that one of the vintage honchos determines belong there.    The next section is for vintage aircraft that are not camping.   Camping (or when the parking area gets full) starts about where emergency aircraft repair is and runs south forwever.   There is also camping area on the other side of the road (including the first few rows reserved for pre-WWII planes).   It’s all filled up on a first come / first serve basis. I don’t agree with the concept of reserving rows for non-campers.   The argument is that they use these close in rows because people want to look at aircraft not tents.   My take is that the tents don’t detract overly from the aircraft and there are by far more intersting to look at planes in the camping area.   Furthermore, there is more likely to be an owner around to answer questions and otherwise show things off in the camping areas.   But hey, I’m just a worker bee in vintage parking without any real authority.

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Hey, I **LIKE** it down in FondDuLac North.  I mean, I can have all the fresh corn I want just by hopping the fence. {;-) Jim (No, Ron, NO RON, PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZE don’t park me down there this year again.) shared these priceless pearls of wisdom: – Jim Weir    (A&P/IA, CFI, & other good alphabet soup) VP Eng RST   Pres. Cyberchapter   EAA Tech. Counselor

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(No, Ron, NO RON, PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZE don’t park me down there this year again.)

Hey, last year I gave you a good spot (I knew you weren’t camping).    It was the year before I put you on row 130.

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Hey, I knows it.  Just having some fun {;-) Jim shared these priceless pearls of wisdom: –

– – (No, Ron, NO RON, PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZE don’t park me down there this year – again.) – -Hey, last year I gave you a good spot (I knew you weren’t camping).    It was the year before I -put you on row 130. – Jim Weir    (A&P/IA, CFI, & other good alphabet soup) VP Eng RST   Pres. Cyberchapter   EAA Tech. Counselor

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Hey, I knows it.  Just having some fun {;-)

Besides, it’s Margy you really have to suck up to.   She’s the one who had the supervisory role,  I just ride the scooters.

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Hey, I just check the N number to see if you’re legal.  The guys on the scooters find you a place .   I also get to sit inside, in the shade, where operation thirst knows where to find me.  BTW anyone interested in parking airplanes down in the vintage area should stop by the shack just north of the hangar cafe.  Briefings are usually 9 am and 1 pm.  It’s a great way to have even more fun at OSH. Margy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey, I knows it.  Just having some fun {;-) Besides, it’s Margy you really have to suck up to.   She’s the one who had the supervisory role,  I just ride the scooters.

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The first year we flew in to OSH we came in late in the week and got a really nice spot on the East end of the North forty (apparently vacated by early departures) We could watch the north end of the airshow from the shade of our rental 172’s wing. Had to switch planes in Ames, IA due to engine trouble, but that is another story. The next year we flew in the day before the show opened, in our qualifying cherokee, and got located in row 101 in the south forty, at the end of the north -south runway. We got to watch the south end of the show from our shade canopy. I’m a big fan of shade. The show experience was the same, but we had good location in the north forty and not so good location in the south. Two other points, any warbirds flying in were generally making low passes and military break formations over our end of the north-south runway. This was very cool. We were also just over the snow fence from the end of the ultralight runway. They cranked up religiously at 7am. I’m not a late sleeper, so this was fine with me. My nephew was not as happy about that. You’ll be walking everywhere anyway, might as well enjoy your "antique status". The EAA vintage group even let me buy a little "Airventure 2001" photo plaque of my cherokee that I keep on my desk. Didn’t get one of those in the north forty! JP Krievins – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Vintage.   You are in the middle of the show.   About the only real advantage of the North 40 is that your campsite is closer to the off-field stuff.

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You’ll be walking everywhere anyway, might as well enjoy your "antique status". The EAA vintage group even let me buy a little "Airventure 2001" photo plaque of my cherokee that I keep on my desk. Didn’t get one of those in the north forty!

If you are a Vintage member you don’t have to buy them and you get a nice glass mug. Margy

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Hey, I just check the N number to see if you’re legal.  The guys on the scooters find you a place .   I also get to sit inside, in the shade, where operation thirst knows where to find me.  BTW anyone interested in parking airplanes down in the vintage area should stop by the shack just north of the hangar cafe.  Briefings are usually 9 am and 1 pm.  It’s a great way to have even more fun at OSH. Margy

Margy, I plan on volunteering most of the week I am there.

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Hey, I just check the N number to see if you’re legal.  The guys on the scooters find you a place .   I also get to sit inside, in the shade, where operation thirst knows where to find me.  BTW anyone interested in parking airplanes down in the vintage area should stop by the shack just north of the hangar cafe.  Briefings are usually 9 am and 1 pm.  It’s a great way to have even more fun at OSH. Margy Margy, I plan on volunteering most of the week I am there.

In vintage I hope (it is the most fun) of course there are many other places to volunteer at OSH so whatever floats your boat (I’m sure they even need volunteers over at the seaplane base!).  Everyone should check out the list at www.airventure.org. Margy

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Speaking of "floats your boat", don’t forget the Seaplane Base.

    Located on the edge of Lake Winnebago about 5 miles from the main show.     Shuttle busses from show every 10 minutes, and a very nice swimming beach     in addition to the seaplanes. Also a great place to volunteer. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Margy, I plan on volunteering most of the week I am there. In vintage I hope (it is the most fun) of course there are many other places to volunteer at OSH so whatever floats your boat (I’m sure they even need volunteers over at the seaplane base!).  Everyone should check out the list at www.airventure.org. Margy

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Speaking of "floats your boat", don’t forget the Seaplane Base.     Located on the edge of Lake Winnebago about 5 miles from the main show.     Shuttle busses from show every 10 minutes, and a very nice swimming beach     in addition to the seaplanes. Also a great place to volunteer.

Never knew about the swimming beach, only the fish fry!  I may have to check it out  this year if it gets really hot. Margy

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(camping, older aircraft) about where emergency aircraft repair is and runs south forwever.   There is also camping area on the other side of the road (including the first few rows reserved for pre-WWII planes).   It’s all filled up on a first come / first serve basis.

Hrm. The C170 arrived moments before me, but the C170 was parked way south, and I was parked in a very good spot, very close to the middle of the show! — Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net "Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

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Of folks that have camped in the North-40 and/or Vintage at OSH, which area did you prefer?  Just looking for ideas/suggestions as this is our first time flying in and my first time at OSH.  We’ll be in a ‘67 C-172 which, as I understand, qualifies us for camping in Vintage. Vintage.   You are in the middle of the show.   About the only real advantage of the North 40 is that your campsite is closer to the off-field stuff.

I will also be coming to OSH in a "vintage" 1967 180HP Arrow. I won’t be able to get there until Wed. the 30th at the earliest, though. Is it likely that there will still be vintage parking available if I don’t arrive until Wed. or Thurs.? I am planning to camp with the airplane. TIA for any information… Tom

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Never knew about the swimming beach, only the fish fry!  I may have to check it out  this year if it gets really hot.

Don’t get your hopes too high, Margy.  The "swimming beach" is about 30 yards of sandy mud (or muddy sand?), and is usually thick with the little ultralights on inflatable floats buzzing in and out for demo rides. My kids will wade in to build sand castles and cool off, but we won’t let them swim. — Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination"

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I will also be coming to OSH in a "vintage" 1967 180HP Arrow. I won’t be able to get there until Wed. the 30th at the earliest, though. Is it likely that there will still be vintage parking available if I don’t arrive until Wed. or Thurs.? I am planning to camp with the airplane.

I do not believe we have ever filled up completely.   You just get farther down the line.   They did add an extra snack bar and shower trailer down about row 120 a few years ago.

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And the worlds best Reuben. Mike Z – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Vintage.   You are in the middle of the show.   About the only real advantage of the North 40 is that your campsite is closer to the off-field stuff. Like Ron says, in Vintage you’re almost smack-dab in the middle of the show. On the other hand, you are within walking distance of two really good bars and restaurants in the North 40… This may sound ridiculous, but after walking the flight line for a couple of days in 100 degree heat, while eating "Zaug’s" food — and paying $30 for a junk-food lunch — you will crave the cool darkness and pretty waitresses at "Friar Tuck’s"… — Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination"

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And the worlds best Reuben.

Man, don’t DO that too me right before supper, Mike! I’m sitting here starvin’, and you’re talking about those huge, tender Reuben sandwiches, on that GREAT marbled rye bread, with those terrific fries and a big, cold beer after hiking the flight line all day…. Mmmmm… — Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination"

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I’m sitting here starvin’, and you’re talking about those huge, tender Reuben sandwiches, on that GREAT marbled rye bread, with those terrific fries and a big, cold beer after hiking the flight line all day…. Mmmmm…

So fly up there and get one. They’re open all year! George Patterson   The optimist feels that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The   pessimist is afraid that he’s correct.                                                        James Branch Cavel

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Can you order it without kraut, or is that mandatory? Jim "kraut ain’t us" Weir shared these priceless pearls of wisdom: – And the worlds best Reuben. – -Man, don’t DO that too me right before supper, Mike! – -I’m sitting here starvin’, and you’re talking about those huge, tender -Reuben sandwiches, on that GREAT marbled rye bread, with those terrific -fries and a big, cold beer after hiking the flight line all day…. Mmmmm… -:) Jim Weir    (A&P/IA, CFI, & other good alphabet soup) VP Eng RST   Pres. Cyberchapter   EAA Tech. Counselor

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Of folks that have camped in the North-40 and/or Vintage at OSH, which area did you prefer?  Just looking for ideas/suggestions as this is our first time flying in and my first time at OSH.  We’ll be in a ‘67 C-172 which, as I understand, qualifies us for camping in Vintage. — Jack Allison PP-ASEL "When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long to return"  - Leonardo Da Vinci

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Of folks that have camped in the North-40 and/or Vintage at OSH, which area did you prefer?  Just looking for ideas/suggestions as this is our first time flying in and my first time at OSH.  We’ll be in a ‘67 C-172 which, as I understand, qualifies us for camping in Vintage.

Vintage.   You are in the middle of the show.   About the only real advantage of the North 40 is that your campsite is closer to the off-field stuff.

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Vintage.   You are in the middle of the show.   About the only real advantage of the North 40 is that your campsite is closer to the off-field stuff.

Like Ron says, in Vintage you’re almost smack-dab in the middle of the show. On the other hand, you are within walking distance of two really good bars and restaurants in the North 40… This may sound ridiculous, but after walking the flight line for a couple of days in 100 degree heat, while eating "Zaug’s" food — and paying $30 for a junk-food lunch — you will crave the cool darkness and pretty waitresses at "Friar Tuck’s"… — Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination"

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Vintage.   You are in the middle of the show.   About the only real advantage of the North 40 is that your campsite is closer to the off-field stuff. Like Ron says, in Vintage you’re almost smack-dab in the middle of the show. On the other hand, you are within walking distance of two really good bars and restaurants in the North 40… This may sound ridiculous, but after walking the flight line for a couple of days in 100 degree heat, while eating "Zaug’s" food — and paying $30 for a junk-food lunch — you will crave the cool darkness and pretty waitresses at "Friar Tuck’s"…

Of course once the show actually starts even if you are in baha vintage (known kindly as fond du lac/point fondy) you can grab the yellow school bus to the hangar cafe.  If it’s after the trams stop running (8ish) you can walk accross the show area to the north forty bus to Friar Tucks.  Other alternatives include taking the bus into town or calling a cab ($$ but worth it some nights, try to get a full cab to go for dinner to save on the transportation).  If you haven’t been to the Fox River Brewery on a clear evening (sitting outside with live music and the drawbridge going up and down) you should.  When you camp in vintage you are at the show.  There are people near the planes and if you get good parking you can watch the airshow from your planes. Margy

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Vintage.   You are in the middle of the show.   About the only real advantage of the North 40 is that your campsite is closer to the off-field stuff.

Well, you don’t always end up in the middle of the show with vintage. I went in 2000. We took the C140, and the club’s C170. The C170, whilst being a 1948 model, isn’t majorly special. Our C140 is polished metal and looks very nice. Well, the C140 got parked right in the middle of the show – we had a superb place to park the lawn chairs with the C140. However, they sent the C170 into the South 40, about on the threshold of the runway). The South 40 is a long way from anywhere. — Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net "Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

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LOL! Medicating cats is certainly a battle of wits. — Marina

It sure is! The first couple of times is always pretty easy, but it gets increasingly more difficult as they get the routine figured out. Sherry

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Have you tried online?  I did a search on google for basket weaving and came up with quite a few places that sell basket supplies online. BTW cat tents sound like fun. Nan

Thanks, Nan. (D’oh. I should have thought of that). They only sell them by the pound though! It’s cheap enough, ($6.95) but that’s gonna make a whole heck of a lot of kitty tents. I will be able to start a whole Cat Scouts troop. Sherry

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Have you tried online?  I did a search on google for basket weaving and came up with quite a few places that sell basket supplies online. BTW cat tents sound like fun. Nan Thanks, Nan. (D’oh. I should have thought of that). They only sell them by the pound though! It’s cheap enough, ($6.95) but that’s gonna make a whole heck of a lot of kitty tents. I will be able to start a whole Cat Scouts troop. Sherry

Who knows, maybe you’ll take up basket weaving in your spare time.   Nan Some minds are like concrete, thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.

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Thanks, Nan. (D’oh. I should have thought of that). They only sell them by the pound though! It’s cheap enough, ($6.95) but that’s gonna make a whole heck of a lot of kitty tents. I will be able to start a whole Cat Scouts troop.

Can we join?  We know a lot about hunting, especially blanket mousies, and even more about testing sleeping places.  Cap’n Pine Cone esq. wants to know if you can put them on a ship’s deck Squeakers, PFC Huey, Merlin, QC, Tanada, and Berfert

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They could be your "marines". Karen

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Can we join?  We know a lot about hunting, especially blanket mousies, and even more about testing sleeping places.  Cap’n Pine Cone esq. wants to know if you can put them on a ship’s deck Squeakers, PFC Huey, Merlin, QC, Tanada, and Berfert They could be your "marines". Karen

Arh, matey, that they could.  At least two of them have the right attitude for it, though PFC Huey, Berfert, and QC are pacifists where hoomins are concerned.  Maybe they’ll go achasin’ mousies or shrimpies…. Cap’n Pine Cone esq.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can we join?  We know a lot about hunting, especially blanket mousies, and even more about testing sleeping places.  Cap’n Pine Cone esq. wants to know if you can put them on a ship’s deck Squeakers, PFC Huey, Merlin, QC, Tanada, and Berfert They could be your "marines". Karen Arh, matey, that they could.  At least two of them have the right attitude for it, though PFC Huey, Berfert, and QC are pacifists where hoomins are concerned.  Maybe they’ll go achasin’ mousies or shrimpies…. Cap’n Pine Cone esq.

Quartermasters! Karen

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Can we join?  We know a lot about hunting, especially blanket mousies, and even more about testing sleeping places.  Cap’n Pine Cone esq. wants to know if you can put them on a ship’s deck

Of course you can join. My brothers say "No Girls Allowed" but Meowmie says I can if I want to. So I hogged the tent all night and I swatted anybody who tried to come in.  Cap’n Pine Cone should be advised that Meowmie’s tents are mostly in pastels, some with pink kitty cats, and I know he has his reputation to consider. He might not want them on his deck. Bootsie (p.s. Meowmie still hasn’t found any proper tent poles, so she cut two willow twigs so we could play. It makes the tent look a little distorted and weird because they were too big but here’s me, hogging the tent. http://members.aol.com/jjrich0523/bootsietent.jpg

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(p.s. Meowmie still hasn’t found any proper tent poles, so she cut two willow twigs so we could play. It makes the tent look a little distorted and weird because they were too big but here’s me, hogging the tent. http://members.aol.com/jjrich0523/bootsietent.jpg

Sherry, I wonder if you could use very small dowel rods.  You could probably  bend them by soaking them in hot water and then bending them around a bowl.  I think they make 1/8 inch dowels, or the clear plastic aquarium tubing might work. P.S. I love the cat tent and Bootsie looks like a real little Scout in it. Nan Some minds are like concrete, thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can we join?  We know a lot about hunting, especially blanket mousies, and even more about testing sleeping places.  Cap’n Pine Cone esq. wants to know if you can put them on a ship’s deck Of course you can join. My brothers say "No Girls Allowed" but Meowmie says I can if I want to. So I hogged the tent all night and I swatted anybody who tried to come in.  Cap’n Pine Cone should be advised that Meowmie’s tents are mostly in pastels, some with pink kitty cats, and I know he has his reputation to consider. He might not want them on his deck. Bootsie (p.s. Meowmie still hasn’t found any proper tent poles, so she cut two willow twigs so we could play. It makes the tent look a little distorted and weird because they were too big but here’s me, hogging the tent. http://members.aol.com/jjrich0523/bootsietent.jpg

I think that’s very "rustic"!! Karen

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can we join?  We know a lot about hunting, especially blanket mousies, and even more about testing sleeping places.  Cap’n Pine Cone esq. wants to know if you can put them on a ship’s deck Of course you can join. My brothers say "No Girls Allowed" but Meowmie says I can if I want to. So I hogged the tent all night and I swatted anybody who tried to come in.  Cap’n Pine Cone should be advised that Meowmie’s tents are mostly in pastels, some with pink kitty cats, and I know he has his reputation to consider. He might not want them on his deck. Bootsie (p.s. Meowmie still hasn’t found any proper tent poles, so she cut two willow twigs so we could play. It makes the tent look a little distorted and weird because they were too big but here’s me, hogging the tent. http://members.aol.com/jjrich0523/bootsietent.jpg

isss furry nice tent! where do we order? (is credit card ok? we’ve got the card no) Are the tents ant-proof? that would be good for when we go to the lake … Thea & Bono — lewe  lewemi at yahoo dot se | cat pics: photos.yahoo.com/lewemi

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can we join?  We know a lot about hunting, especially blanket mousies, and even more about testing sleeping places.  Cap’n Pine Cone esq. wants to know if you can put them on a ship’s deck Squeakers, PFC Huey, Merlin, QC, Tanada, and Berfert They could be your "marines". Karen Arh, matey, that they could.  At least two of them have the right attitude for it, though PFC Huey, Berfert, and QC are pacifists where hoomins are concerned.  Maybe they’ll go achasin’ mousies or shrimpies…. Cap’n Pine Cone esq. Quartermasters! Karen

Avast Karen, we don’t intend to give no quarters.  And since we’re the masters, we should know.  I do think I might put QC in charge of scaring up grub and storing it.  She’s quick on her feet and has a thrifty attitude. Cap’n Pine Cone esq.

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Can we join?  We know a lot about hunting, especially blanket mousies, and even more about testing sleeping places.  Cap’n Pine Cone esq. wants to know if you can put them on a ship’s deck Of course you can join. My brothers say "No Girls Allowed" but Meowmie says I can if I want to. So I hogged the tent all night and I swatted anybody who tried to come in.  Cap’n Pine Cone should be advised that Meowmie’s tents are mostly in pastels, some with pink kitty cats, and I know he has his reputation to consider. He might not want them on his deck. Bootsie

They be handsome tents, Bootsie, that they are.  Penelope has already climbed the fat wench’s lap to see and says that she wants the fat wench to make her one.  I want one too.  There was enough boy colors in the tent so that it would maintain the dignity of the good ship "Mouser." We all want to be cat scouts.  Will your Meowmie be our littermother? the fat wench isn’t too good at that.  She only serves wet food on rare occasions. Cap’n Pine Cone esq.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can we join?  We know a lot about hunting, especially blanket mousies, and even more about testing sleeping places.  Cap’n Pine Cone esq. wants to know if you can put them on a ship’s deck Squeakers, PFC Huey, Merlin, QC, Tanada, and Berfert They could be your "marines". Karen Arh, matey, that they could.  At least two of them have the right attitude for it, though PFC Huey, Berfert, and QC are pacifists where hoomins are concerned.  Maybe they’ll go achasin’ mousies or shrimpies…. Cap’n Pine Cone esq. Quartermasters! Karen Avast Karen, we don’t intend to give no quarters.  And since we’re the masters, we should know.  I do think I might put QC in charge of scaring up grub and storing it.  She’s quick on her feet and has a thrifty attitude. Cap’n Pine Cone esq.

Better rethink that PC. Quartermasters store and share the grub AND pay you in shrimpies. Karen

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Great tent, great pic! Best wishes, — Polonca & Soncek

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Can we join?  We know a lot about hunting, especially blanket mousies, and even more about testing sleeping places.  Cap’n Pine Cone esq. wants to know if you can put them on a ship’s deck Of course you can join. My brothers say "No Girls Allowed" but Meowmie says I can if I want to. So I hogged the tent all night and I swatted anybody who tried to come in.  Cap’n Pine Cone should be advised that Meowmie’s tents are mostly in pastels, some with pink kitty cats, and I know he has his reputation to consider. He might not want them on his deck. Bootsie (p.s. Meowmie still hasn’t found any proper tent poles, so she cut two willow twigs so we could play. It makes the tent look a little distorted and weird because they were too big but here’s me, hogging the tent. http://members.aol.com/jjrich0523/bootsietent.jpg

Great picture! BTW  Bootsie, Sammy looks a lot like you, except she has a llittlle white stripe just to the right running from her bottom lip under her chin. Ask your Meowmie if this is something she plans on selling llike the home made cat trees. Sounds like you all are pretty close to us here in Lawton. I also have a suggestion for the poles. A few years back when I needed new poles for my regular sized tent I found fiberglass poles at a Walmart in Colorado. Haven’t check our local store, but you may be able to find them in the camping section. If so, you could probably cut them down to fit. — Steve Touchstone home page http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/index.html

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: Well, I got it out of the fridge and took a while trying to get the darn : thing to the mark (it’s so hard to get that dropper full. kc). I also got : some roast meat to give him.  I looked out and around but couldn’t find him. : Finally, I notice the curtain behind the chair moving. Thought ‘well, the : heat isn’t on and even when it is it (the curtain) doesn’t move that much.’ : : Guess where Tycho is. Yep! Hiding behind the curtain. : : He must have seen me trying to fill the dropper in the kitchen. : : Who says cats don’t think? Anyway, he took it, and didn’t urp, and I had : some London Broil Roast to give him. Which he ate eagerly. : : Course, I then had to feed Petrus and Nermalee some too. At least I bet : there are not a whole lot of cats that get that kind of treat! : : Yeah, Tycho’s got it figured out. She’s got quite an ordeal ahead of her!! : She’ll have to hide in the pantry or something just to fill the syringe! (Hope : it’s going well for him). : Sherry Oh, they think, all right. And they when they think they see the harbinger of a medical procedure they’re not going to like, they start thinking of ways to render themselves invisible. I wound up spelling words at the vet’s office one time. I noticed that Melody (RB) had caught on to what was afoot when it was time for her to get her every-three-weeks chemo shot for lymphoma. During one vet visit, the vet filled the syringe in full view of Melody. I watched Melody’s eyes get VERY big and round, and I knew she knew she was about to get an injection. During our next visit to the Cat Hospital three weeks later, I warned the vet, "Don’t let the C-A-T see you prep the N-E-E-D-L-E. I saw the look on her face the last time and she knows what the N-E-E-D-L-E is for". From then on, the vet made sure to fill the syringe from an angle where Melody couldn’t see it. The shot was unavoidable, but there was no sense in causing additional stress to the patient by letting her see the syringe any sooner than she had to. Donna

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I’ve done with far more embarrassing consequences! No sweat Karen

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve got to tell you this. I haven’t been giving Tycho his medicine more than twice a day (usually). Tonight I decide to give him a third 1 gm as he didn’t get to urpy earlier. Well, I got it out of the fridge and took a while trying to get the darn thing to the mark (it’s so hard to get that dropper full. kc). I also got some roast meat to give him.  I looked out and around but couldn’t find him. Finally, I notice the curtain behind the chair moving. Thought ‘well, the heat isn’t on and even when it is it (the curtain) doesn’t move that much.’ Guess where Tycho is. Yep! Hiding behind the curtain. He must have seen me trying to fill the dropper in the kitchen. Who says cats don’t think? Anyway, he took it, and didn’t urp, and I had some London Broil Roast to give him. Which he ate eagerly. Course, I then had to feed Petrus and Nermalee some too. At least I bet there are not a whole lot of cats that get that kind of treat!

LOL! Medicating cats is certainly a battle of wits. — Marina

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For those of you who think I don’t have a life…. I’ve been sewing cat tents. They are the cutest thing, it’s a Simplicity patttern. They are little "dome" tents. The problem is, for the "tent poles" you’re supposed to use basketweaving splines. I’ve been everywhere looking for basketweaving splines. Apparently basketweaving just hasn’t caught on in OK and there’s no supplier. Has anybody else here ever used this pattern, and come up with a workable substitute for the splines? Sherry

Sounds very cute.  Could you use long knitting needles? Maybe you could go to Michaels or Hobby Lobby and ask for advice on that one. Christine

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Well, I got it out of the fridge and took a while trying to get the darn thing to the mark (it’s so hard to get that dropper full. kc). I also got some roast meat to give him.  I looked out and around but couldn’t find him. Finally, I notice the curtain behind the chair moving. Thought ‘well, the heat isn’t on and even when it is it (the curtain) doesn’t move that much.’ Guess where Tycho is. Yep! Hiding behind the curtain. He must have seen me trying to fill the dropper in the kitchen. Who says cats don’t think? Anyway, he took it, and didn’t urp, and I had some London Broil Roast to give him. Which he ate eagerly. Course, I then had to feed Petrus and Nermalee some too. At least I bet there are not a whole lot of cats that get that kind of treat!

Yeah, Tycho’s got it figured out. She’s got quite an ordeal ahead of her!! She’ll have to hide in the pantry or something just to fill the syringe! (Hope it’s going well for him). Sherry p.s. Karen, sorry to follow-up your post with an unrelated thread. I was gonna reply to this one, and also post to a new thread, got interrupted by the phone..and lost track of what I was doing. Sorry!)

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For those of you who think I don’t have a life…. I’ve been sewing cat tents. They are the cutest thing, it’s a Simplicity patttern. They are little "dome" tents. The problem is, for the "tent poles" you’re supposed to use basketweaving splines. I’ve been everywhere looking for basketweaving splines. Apparently basketweaving just hasn’t caught on in OK and there’s no supplier. Has anybody else here ever used this pattern, and come up with a workable substitute for the splines? Sherry

Have you tried online?  I did a search on google for basket weaving and came up with quite a few places that sell basket supplies online. BTW cat tents sound like fun. Nan Some minds are like concrete, thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.

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For those of you who think I don’t have a life…. I’ve been sewing cat tents. They are the cutest thing, it’s a Simplicity patttern. They are little "dome" tents. The problem is, for the "tent poles" you’re supposed to use basketweaving splines. I’ve been everywhere looking for basketweaving splines. Apparently basketweaving just hasn’t caught on in OK and there’s no supplier. Has anybody else here ever used this pattern, and come up with a workable substitute for the splines? Sherry

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Not sure what kind of craft stores you have in OK, but around here we have JoAnne Fabrics, Michael’s and Hobby Lobby for the larger stores, and a few local ones that deal with more the guy-stuff (models, miniatures & trains). You might try a place where they sell furniture supplies, for people that make or refurbish their own furniture – especially the wicker furniture. Other than that, you might try a stiff type of wire. — The ONE and ONLY lefthanded-pathetic-paranoid-psychotic-sarcastic-wiseass-ditzy former-blonde in Bloomington! (And proud of it, too)

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I lived in Saudi Arabia for a couple of years. So far as RV clubs I can’t answer. But this Spring Time camping tradition existed in Saudi. Mostly tents. I saw some RVs. Some Saudis will put up sort of tent compounds inside of an area smoothed off by a bulldozer with the dirt piled all around except for a vehicle entrance. There are usually four tents. A womens tent, a mens tent, a cooking tent and a dancing tent. The dancing tent is for men only. Women and men are kept seperate in Saudi society, if they are at the camp site they will stay inside their tent if there is anyone in the compound other than close relatives. There was usually a fire pit in the center of the compound. I saw one set up like this with two RVs kind of attached to large tents, the length of the RV and maybe 15 feet wide. I guess one RV was for men the other for women. But tents only was the norm. They bring in water in a tank trailer. Some wealthy Saudis will leave some servants in the compound during the week and show up for the weekend to camp. Around Riyahd the custom was to set up your camp after the spring rain storm. ( they had usually one rainy day per year there ) And break camp when the weather got too hot. When I worked in Jeddah some of the single Saudi men I worked with invited me to camp with them one weekend. We just sat on around rugs and talked and smoked hubbly bubblies (tall water pipes, stoked with tobbacco and dried fruit.) After dark some of the men played music while the others danced. It was like a scene from The National Geographic Channel. The second day we hunted desert lizards by putting a hose from the exhaust pipe of a car into one end of the lizards den. The lizard ran out the other end and we chased them and "netted" them with towels. The lizards weighed about 3 pounds dressed, and tasted quite good roasted over an open fire. There were no women at this camp as it was all bachelors. (maybe that’s why they chased lizards) KOA it wasn’t, but interesting and fun none the less. L8re Bill – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello,I think I am about to lose a bet with my friend.He says there are no Iraqi rv’ers or clubs for that matter.I say there are,can anyone verify this?

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Hello,I think I am about to lose a bet with my friend.He says there are no Iraqi rv’ers or clubs for that matter.I say there are,can anyone verify this? I love you roadwarrior

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Sure there are!  They have camels with and without slide-outs. — DeLores Wilson Hillsboro, OR

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Yes I think they are called U.S. MARINES AND BRITISH ARMY AND U.S. ARMY — Chuck

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Careful when you park overnight at an Iraqi "Target"  !!!

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Hello,I think I am about to lose a bet with my friend.He says there are no Iraqi rv’ers or clubs for that matter.I say there are,can anyone verify this? I love you roadwarrior

Not sure about Iraq but I saw on the news that the Kuwati campers were sorta peeved that the US Marines were staging in some of their favorite spring time camping areas out in the desert. They did show SUV’s, vans and cars and lot’s of tents… Didn’t see any RV’s though unless you count the camels… they were describing the Kuwati camping as a springtime tradition because it’s gets too hot to do in the summer. They need some air conditioning on those camels. Deano

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I imagine some of the (now former) elite had them but haven’t heard of any. Hello,I think I am about to lose a bet with my friend.He says there are no Iraqi rv’ers or clubs for that matter.I say there are,can anyone verify this? I love you roadwarrior

Our Baby:   http://www.krenekrv.com/class_b.htm

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Hello,I think I am about to lose a bet with my friend.He says there are no Iraqi rv’ers or clubs for that matter.I say there are,can anyone verify this? I love you roadwarrior

They all took refuge in Syria when the bombardment started. Colin Powell went there last week to get ‘em back — apparently they’re needed for something called Operation Tailgate. — (Go Fish!)

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